Computing Central - Liz Longsworth
Liz Longsworth, a veteran chat host and senior producer of MSN's own Computing Central, took this opportunity to be a guest with us on MSN Update. She told us about the new
design and features of her site. Read on to discover the forums and the vibrant MSN computing community!
September 23rd, 1998
Tony: Live from beautiful Redmond, Washington, MSN Update would like to welcome you to this week's Member Council chat!
Tonight we're chatting with Liz Longsworth, the Senior Producer of Computing Central on MSN.COM.
We're here to bring you up to speed with what's new, what's changing, and what's next on Computing Central. You'll also learn about some of the vast resources that they have to make computing better and more productive for you!
Now let's get to chatting
Welcome, Liz! Thanks so much for joining us. Can you tell our audience what you do here MSN.COM?
Liz: Thanks, Tony! It's great to be here.
I'm the Senior Producer for MSN Computing Central. What that means is that I manage a content area the Computing channel on Microsoft's MSN.COM.
Computing Central is an information resource, a community, and a place to get answers to technical questions. We've got a staff of forum managers and online managers out in the field (on the network, so to speak) as well as a
home team and great content partners. I mix them all up to produce great information about computing for people of all skill levels.
We've got tips, shareware, industry and product news, and more. Whatever your interest, we can offer help and advice. We have experts in a number of topics who are available to mentor people through newsgroups and chats. Whether
you have a question about what modem to buy, how to install a motherboard, or how to make a greeting card with desktop publishing software, we've got experts to help and great information you can peruse at your own pace.
Tony: How about a lesson in history? How has Computing Central changed over the years? What was it like when it first started?
Liz: That's a great question because it has changed a lot!
Computing Central started off in August of 1995 as the Computers & Software category on the MSN 1.x service (MSN Classic). We had been putting a team together for months and we also had about 120 content partners involved
folks like Microsoft, Adobe, Lexmark, Dell, etc.
When MSN 2.0 rolled out, we changed our name to Computing on MSN. We shifted our partnerships away from vendors and towards world-class content partners such as Ziff-Davis, C|NET, IDG, and CMP. We continued to work with our
online staff which had grown a fair amount by then.
Our goal at that time was not so different from what it is today: offer a great information service to computer users of all skill levels. When MSN decided to cross the line and become an Internet-based free service, our team
was at the front of the pack.
We had been begging for months to be allowed to move "in front of the fire wall." In November of 1997, we did just that and changed our name once again to Computing Central. Since then, we've been free on the
Web to anyone who wants to use us.
Tony: So, you've been with Computing Central from the start?
Liz: Yes, almost form the very beginning. I'm one of the few "old-timers" left at MSN. I started in April 1995, which wasn't the drop-dead beginning, but it was very early on.
Tony: Speaking of changes... How do you see the direction we're headed as a service, as all of the different parts of MSN come together in one great place? I'm sure you have an interesting perspective as someone who works so
closely with computing.
Liz: Hmm
. I see MSN sort of coagulating as a real service. In the beginning, MSN was a proprietary service and had a unified interface, tools, and business goals.
Over time, we pursued other directions some call this experimental, others say it was the inevitable changes forced by the rapid growth of the Internet and it's evolving business models and we spun out a number of unique
"shows" and services, each with its own design, business model, etc.
Now we're heading back into a more unified era where we are focused on services that have in common at least a unified design.
I think this is advantageous for MSN and for MSN users, because so much more can be offered to users in a way that makes it easier for them to digest, navigate, and use.
Tony: Yes, we already had compliments in here before you arrived about the new look on Computing Central. Everyone seems to like it.
Liz: Thanks very, very much! We just launched the new look last night at midnight! So you are all on the cutting edge to see it so early! If you haven't seen it take a look at http://computingcentral.msn.com.
Tony: Let's talk about the changes that just went through. What big improvements were made, and how does that fit into the scheme of things with the new MSN.COM?
Liz: Well, the most significant change we just made was to adopt the MSN.COM design template. Adopting this template required us to make some changes in our content layout and structure this is inevitable.
We used the opportunity to make some improvements, and we expect to continue making tweaks and improvements over the coming weeks. We have learned new things every step of the way. And at some point, we have to address larger
changes, not just small tweaks.
So, over time, other changes will be coming down the pike:
- News brought front and center
- Search introduced into the shareware section
- New forums
- More targeted computer-shopping opportunities
We are also looking forward to introducing an area for member feedback that's really important to us, and we haven't been able to incorporate that before now. We want to change in ways that reflect what members want from us.
Q: Who is your largest audience for Computing Central?
Liz: Computer users with some experience. Most of our users have been on computers at work if not also at home. They are interested in the Internet and in computer technology for its own sake, but they also like mentoring
and sharing their knowledge with others.
At the same time, we have lots of novices these folks are great because they ask terrific questions and learn fast, like sponges. We really enjoy working with beginners!
We also have deep content for advanced computer users. Check out our software development forum or our operating systems forum or our bandwidth forum these areas are pretty sophisticated.
Q: How do you promote the site to reach them?
Liz: We have a number of strategic partnerships with which we do cross-promotion. For example, we have a great relationship with Microsoft Press we do chats on Computing Central with Microsoft Press authors and often
give away free copies of their books! We also advertise with banners and we tag along on a number of MSN promotional campaigns.
Tony: Back to forums a bit... There is a slightly new system of getting around. For example, those looking for forums how do they get to them? What are the other main sections of Computing Central now?
Liz: Thanks for asking that, Tony it is different now.
We no longer have a button called "forums," which used to be the main door into forums. Its funny but in our usability tests, the word "forum" was really recognizable to people who have been on the
Internet for years, but it was confusing to newer online users.
So we decided to open up the doors a bit and provide multiple entries to our community areas through the buttons labeled, "Chat," "Newsgroups," and then most importantly through the topical buttons on the
vertical navigation bar.
So when you see "software, hardware, operating systems," etc., these all go to forums.
But, since you ask this question, you make me think maybe we better label this area better it's the heart of what we do!
Tony: On the subject of forums/topics what are the most popular ones? I know there are a lot to choose from and they're all phenomenal in some way, but there have to be some that just get all the people.
Liz: It's pretty interesting. Some that are popular are driven by topic such as Computer Games, Shareware, and Windows 95/98. Others are busy with lots of traffic because the forum managers do a fantastic job, such as
Multimedia, Bandwidth, Software Development, the MSN Forum, and Electronic Music.
Our all-time most popular forums are Windows 95/98 (no surprise there after all, we are MSN), Hardware, Shareware, and Computer Games.
Of course, we also have two interactive radio shows where you can listen to the radio show and be in a chat room talking to other listeners at the same time and these perform very well. "On Computers" (Sunday
mornings) and "Beyond Computers" (Thursday nights) are the two shows.
Q: About personality conflicts in the communication areas
How do you keep them off the technical forums?
Liz: Great question. We hire forum managers who are experienced in managing communities. We also train them and guide them through challenging situations. We have a great deal of trust in and respect for these professionals.
They are experts in their topics but they are also experienced online community managers with proven track records.
When there are conflicts between users and online staff, these are usually resolved amicably through conversation about the problem.
When that doesn't work, the situation is escalated to online managers. Its very rare a situation requires further escalation our team is excellent at working things out so users are satisfied and have a good experience on
MSN.
Tony: We all know the forum managers are the reason why we have a community. Let's talk a little about the program. How did people get to be management? How much has that staff grown over time?
Liz: We have forum managers because we believed early on and continue to believe that experienced community managers would provide the best environment for users, both new users and users who wanted to stay focused
on computing topics, and have technical discussions, and so on.
Some forum managers grew into the role of online manager, but most of our online managers joined us at that level.
We have grown from one online manager in late 1994 to five in the computing channel today. Our forum manager staff has likewise grown form six or so to 23, managing 36 forums.
Q: Is the staff still growing?
Liz: Depends on the day! Seriously in general we are continuing to expand and tweak our topical lineup. We're also getting smarter about how to do online communities, and we're adapting as the Web changes.
There are things that the online services used to do in the 1980s that are different now and we're figuring out what kind of staffing model applies to our new circumstances.
We are not hiring this week if that's what you really want to know but we are always on the lookout for good forum topic ideas, and talented, experienced staff.
Tony: Computing Central has some really vibrant communities in so many places. The newsgroups, for example... A lot of people consider MSN newsgroups to be the place to go for technical support because of the
community and resources the community has.
Personally, I'm very familiar with the boards in the MSN Forum, but not many other areas. Any suggestions for ones that are great for people to watch even if they don't have the time to get really involved?
Liz: The best way to get an overview of all of the newsgroups in Computing Central is to go to our home page at http://computingcentral.msn.com
and click on the button that says newsgroups. You'll see a complete listing by topic.
Forums that have only one newsgroup are set up that way because the forum manager has opted to have all discussion occur in one easy location.
Usually these newsgroups cover a range of topics and can be used for any kind of question relating to that topic.
In Forums where there are multiple newsgroups, the forum manager is usually trying to provide a place where people with specialty interests can focus on a specific topic.
In these cases, you can scan for the one that most interests you, or drop in on several of them just to keep up with the various discussions.
In either case, you can always expect to have your newsgroup questions answered in 24 hours or less we guarantee this!
Tony: Yeah that 24-hour time limit is many times beaten! I can vouch for that.
Q: What are you doing to attract new users to the Computing Central community?
Liz: Another good question! Being the Computing channel on MSN.COM is probably the number-one way we are attracting new users. Our team likes to joke that we're the best kept secret at Microsoft usually when folks find
out about Computing Central they say, "Wow! I could use that!"
But being in the new MSN.COM site offers us a new level of visibility. The trick from now on will not be attracting new users but keeping the new folks who visit us. If we aren't able to get people to come back again and again,
we're not doing our job very well.
So we are looking for what Web-heads like to call "sticky" content that is, content that will be so compelling, people will return again and again to use it.
Tony: About the file library
Anything exciting going on there lately?
Liz: There sure is! Downloads are one of the most popular activities on the Internet (second only to pornography, I'm told). We have always had an excellent shareware collection. The only problem was, it wasn't on the
Internet it was stuck on our old platform.
For those of you who are long-time MSN members, that wasn't a problem you could still use it. But other folks couldnt access it.
Well, we are proud to have launched our new shareware collection on the Internet just a few weeks ago. In it, you'll find up to 30,000 virus-checked shareware files. These are organized by topic, so it's pretty easy to
locate what you want.
Nonetheless, we'll be introducing a search mechanism in a week or two that will allow people to find precisely what they're looking for, much more easily.
We also include, in Computing Central, the excellent shareware collections from ZDnet (ZDnet Software Library) and C|NET (Download.com and Shareware.com).
These comprehensive collections offer advanced services to people interested in shareware and I recommend them as well.
Q: How do we get to it? Is there a URL for it?
Liz: There are three ways to get to our downloads collection:
Q: In older versions of MSN, there was some sort of newcomer newsgroup that people were directed to. Is there such a place that we direct our visitors to today?
Liz: The MSN Forum is a great place for newcomers. The newsgroups there are welcoming to new users.
Also, you'll find folks there who can offer suggestions on where and how to get started on your journey through MSN.COM.
Within Computing Central itself, I would argue that your fingers should lead you. Click on whatever interests you. But in the end do make sure you stop in at a forum and say hi. Because the online staff is so friendly, I think
you'll be glad to meet them.
Tony: Those of us who frequent the boards know that it's not unusual at all for the help to be non-MSN-specific! The issues that are solved there... it's unbelievable!
Liz: Yes, I have learned what toothpaste to use for sensitive teeth, where to get my car fixed, and of course... what cell phone to buy, what driver to install when my printer went wacko, and more.
Tony: Also, AFM Marfer reminds us that the primary MSN Forum newsgroups are news://msnnews.msn.com/msn.msn25
for MSN 2.5 users, and news://msnnews.msn.com/msn.memberservices for general service.
Liz: The newsgroups are fantastic resources for technical tips, product reviews (candid ones, from peers, not ones that have been all polished up before you see them), and general encouragement if you're having one of those
days when nothing is working right.
Tony: Now let's talk about a big part of what makes Computing Central such a great place live community. There are so many chats,
I have to wonder how you and your staff keep up with them. <grin> Tell us a little about how all of that goes.
Liz: Ha ha! We have more than 40 hosted chat events each week in Computing Central's chat rooms. In addition, the rooms are open 24 hours a day for general conversation on computing topics.
Our forum managers really enjoy the personal contact that chats offer.
They are able to get to know people, make friends, answer questions in a speedy manner and share some pleasant social time with people with common interests.
I know that one of my favorite things to do on a Sunday is to go into the "On Computers" chat room and visit with the folks there. I always get caught up on the latest industry news new products that have come out
that week, mergers, new technologies, trade shows and also I see folks who I have come to know over the months I have been chatting with them. It's fun. For those of you who want to try it, here's the link: http://computingcentral.msn.com/oncomputers/
Q: Liz, I'd like to know if it's ever going to be possible to link to chat rooms using a chat client rather than the Web-based one used now.
Liz: It depends on the chat room right now. People using Internet Explorer can get into any of our rooms. People using other browsers and chat clients can get into some rooms, such as "On Computers" and the
Artificial Intelligence chat.
Our goal is to be 100% accessible to all chat clients and browsers in the immediate future, so check back with us periodically.
Member comment: I want to thank all the Forum Managers, AFMs, MHMs, and members for being helpful to persons with disabilities
all show compassion and understanding for our predicaments and help us greatly.
Liz: That's a nice comment thank you.
Tony: Out of curiosity... How crowded do the chats get? Are they up-close and personal or do you get the masses who want to share all their ideas? Both can be great of course in their own ways.
Liz: It varies from chat to chat and day to day. "On Computers" often has 60-70 people for up to four hours at a stretch. Other chats have a steady audience same folks each week of 15 or 20 people. Other
chats host people who drop in and move on. It really depends.
Each variation has a different tone and style it's kind of fun to figure out whether you prefer small or large chats. Small chats offer attention that is more personal.
Tony: Let's leave with this thought... Where are some of the best places you would suggest a "newbie" would go to benefit from your site? Any particular areas that they should really be checking out every day?
Liz: Yes! New computer users will especially enjoy the news column on our home page. It's called News Briefs, and it's four short summaries of top computing stories in the general press (the New York Times, and other
major publications).
These stories are not about technical things they are about how computers are affecting average folks like all of us.
Novices may also enjoy the new Computer Users Forum http://computingcentral.msn.com/newusers
Also, check out the tutorials in the Help section, which will teach you how to use chat, newsgroups, and shareware.
Tony: Thanks, Liz, for chatting with us tonight. And a big warm thanks to our members for hanging out with us, too!
Make sure you check out all the awesome stuff going on at Computing Central by visiting http://computingcentral.msn.com
and check out the new design while you're at it!
All chat transcripts are available at the MSN Update Archives, at http://update.msn.com/Article.asp?Page=-1
If you are interested in downloading the latest version of Microsoft Chat, go to http://microsoft.com/ie/chat
Liz: Tony, thanks for having me as a guest tonight. I really enjoyed talking with you and fielding questions from the crowd. To the audience: I appreciate your interest in Computing Central and I hope to see you there.
Please keep an eye out for our feedback opportunities and let us know what you think! Thanks!
Tony: You're welcome!
No chats are scheduled at this time. If you have any ideas for chats that youd like to see take place, wed love to hear from you! Just click the feedback link below!
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